We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. I kept on the controls through a number of heading changes much up into the midteens before switching on the autopilot. The folks behind Piaggio have long claimed that the Avanti is exceptionally quiet inside, throwing out a 68 dBA number that never seemed credible. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. For years, Avantis languished on the fringes of general aviation as a niche airplane. Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association Find it free on the store, Powerplants / (2) 850-shp Pratt & Whitney Could it happen to anyone else? If Avantair does not make it through this we could probably partner of a cheap Piaggio. Villi and I then headed to Genoa for some instrument approaches. Interestingly, the windscreen de-fog system is set up for single- The cabin provides a comfortable and quiet ride for passengers. Though the very basic levers dont look as though they have reverse capability, they do, though it requires a healthy lift on the levers to get them back over the gate to provide propeller braking to slow things down on the ramp and taxiways. So to Don, you dont happen to live in Vegas do you? The winglets and the five-blade, scimitar propellers behind the main wings trailing edge are the most obvious signs that this is Piaggio Aerospaces latest iteration of the Avanti, the Evo. We are grateful for their understanding and patience as we work through this important process. Then there are the issues with inflight engine shutdowns that happen way early of the engine manufacture time frames. Chad, I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. They caught a wing and oveturned, but everyone was safe. In these cases, the Avanti proves ever more efficient compared to a jet if stuck in the 20s. I think that it should be obvious to everyone here that comments by Mandarin Jet and a few others should be taken with a grain of salt. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. I picked up the Avantair share as a resale through a vendor and paid a lot less then what it would have cost to buy it directly from the company, so at least I'm invested at a much lower number. Don, sorry about your situation and lack of communication. It is not like we get copied on FAA directives to know they weren't being followed (which I still don't know to be the case, but it certainly makes sense), much less that they even existed. The start-up sequence is pure PT6; its a completely pilot-controlled process. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. The forward wing (not to be called a canard, as it has no moving flight controls other than forward flaps) is positioned on the underside of a gracefully sweeping nose and is home to two pitot tubes underneath and, unusually in Western types, has a significant anhedral. And while I have spoken mainly about our pilots, I would like to commend my fellow employees, especially maintenance, in the other departments. I could see why 380 is a preferred altitude. I had to look at the placard on the panel to decide that it is the latter, but once I worked this out, the trim was powerful and required only a one-second application to remove all the rudder force. However, lately the service sucks and now this. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. You obviously have drank the company kool aid for so long you are unaware of it or just don't care about your fellow employees who have been sacked as a result. P180 Avanti Pitot and Static System. Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. The crew brought a crippled aircraft safely to the runway, but departed the runway with the crosswind condition. Have been looking everywhere for these. So as fast as it is at cruise, its block times suffer as a result of the climb speed and relatively low Vmo (260 indicated) and Mmo (Mach 0.70) limitations. Because there is no overhead panel, I had sufficient head room to allow me to clumsily maneuver myself into position. On approach, however, the view is excellent. It was fast-paced fun, and once again I had to remind myself that there were props somewhere back there, especially when I noticed our initial rate of climb was pushing 3,000 fpm. P180 Avanti Lighting System. On climb-out, especially given the steep angle of attack of the impressive-climbing P.180, its hard to see much out front at all. But with a main cabin height of 69 inches, its easy to move about. Ill let Peter Garrison work out both the semantics and aerodynamics of the question (if those two disciplines would differ on the subject). The seat is raised or lowered with a lever outboard to provide a view that should just about look down onto the top of the glareshield. Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. While it may be certified to fly with one pilot most P180s are crewed by two. No sooner had we done this, when Villi took control, performed an airshow-style liftoff, and turned to clear the runway for the next aircraft. Findings as to risk: I have only been an owner for a short time but the flights I have taken have been flawless;The pilots seemed happy and very professional. Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. I was told my aircraft was on extended maintenance (whatever that meant, now I know). Operationally this company is in big trouble. With a top speed of 400 knots (Avanti II/Evo), these airplanes cruise as much as 100 knots faster than traditional turboprops. The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. It was spot on. Fastest Turboprop With the hammer down and in the low 30s, Avanti IIs can hit 400 KTAS on 800 pounds per hour. We rotated at 105 knots, which is pretty darned fast for a turboprop, using about half of the available 7,000 feet at KDTO. Best for: Superior speed When Italys leading aerospace manufacturing company released the Piaggio Avanti EVO, they delivered on three key business demands: speed, comfort, and cost-effectiveness.Piaggio Aerospace blended the very best in Italian design with superb craftsmanship to create a high-performance aircraft that not only turns The Avanti is has been around since 1990, providing the luxury of a jet with the versatility of a turbo prop. Using the intuitive FMS CDU, I programmed a route toward BERAB, the initial approach fix for the VOR approach to Runway 27 at Villanova. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. Try using low-flow fixtures. As we tracked toward this point, Lorenzo handed me back control for the last approach. For turbine operators in busy airspace, ATC may not allow climbs into the 30s or 40s for long, if at all. At sea level under standard conditions, the Avanti II needs almost exactly the same amount of runway to land as it does to take off, just over 3,200 feet. Your management sucks! At FL350, the speed remained stable even with back pressure applied to maintain altitude, and the aircraft was easy to control. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. According to industry sources, the action stemmed from an incident earlier this year in which an Avantair Avanti shed an elevator in flight. One smart thing I did do was I bought my share as a resale thru a vendor and paid a whole lot less then I would have if I bought straight from Avantair. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy. Acceleration feels fast, but steering through the rudders is positive and smooth, though it requires an easy touch to avoid darting about. We would be more than happy to speak with any Colorado based owners who might be looking for an experienced Piaggio crew. Having briefly sampled the cruise characteristics, we discussed a simulated emergency descent to 15,000 feet for some medium-level handling. Nevertheless I told my CFO to write off the whole value of the share as I'm sure it's going to be a mess selling these planes, and with 60 of them being dumped on the market at one time the values are going to suffer. But it was not his fault that it. Villi switched on the V-bar flight directors on the PFD of the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 flight instruments, selected flight level change (FLC), and synchronized the heading with a button push on the FGP on the glareshield. Taking back control as we lined up, Villi held the brakes using the top of the toe pedals, advanced the power levers to 97.6 percent, and we accelerated briskly to 120 knots. Other parts, mainly fairings and the like, are composite, but for the most part, Piaggio Aeros Avanti II is a sheet metal airplane. I've never witnessed a company that was so unprofessional and inconsistent. Had this been a 121 flight, the Captain could have had the passengers detained for interfering with a flight crew and stomping out on the supposedly "secured" ramp, but this isn't 121. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. A CEO and board that has taekn this company into a downward spiralouot of business in 3 monthsnice stock price!! In fact, Avantair hired and added airplanes during the Great Recession. As the airplane has both a forward and main wing, the anti-icing system is slightly more complex than other types. I love the plane and at first the service was fine. Reaching ahead between the forward cabin bulkhead, he lifted the left-side pilots seat to provide a clear floor area on which to stand. I started looking at commercial flights, figuring SWA flies there and it would be inexpensive anyway. So it was no surprise that my first impressions were of relatively high control forces with noticeable system friction in both pitch and roll with, at low speed, a low geared pitch trim. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2018-07-18/pilot-report-piaggio-avanti-evo, Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. The owners got into another Piaggio and flew again. .intend to return to the 121 world. As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. Shortly before departure, Villi advised me that the autopilot function of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available. The pilots had secured an engine and were having orientation issues due to instrumentation failures. The contract includes ten strict orders with options for 40 more. The closeness to the ground gives the airplane a go-cart feel. The unique rear mounted turboprop engines makes the Avanti instantly recognisable. Flying may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. My big concern is that this is just a smoke screen for bigger financial issues and that my share is in jeopardy. I found a new job about 4 weeks later! My trip has been scheduled for several days so I am perplexed on why they waited until 11pm the night before my trip to tell me about this issue. Ask yourself this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all at the same time? To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. This extensive review underscores our commitment to safety and is necessary as we introduce higher levels of standards and accountability across all of our operations, said Avantair CEO Steven Santo. So to say that all is negative is wildly incorrect. You can get a good 2003 model with the increased weights that make it an Avanti II for $5.3. Unfortunately, ill-fated business and maintenance practices eventually led to its bankruptcy in 2013. If Avantair doesn't do this, FAA will shut them down. WebTo order vehicle records online, you will need to: Have a permissible use for the information if purchasing records other than your own; Select Online Services; Under Additional I'm not saying that maintenance or pilots did not make mistakes, but it helps to know the entire story before a rush to judgement. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. Contact me at Atomicapril @ gmail.com. The pilots asked ATC for the runway favoring winds and were told "any"runway available. You know get them off the insurance roll. The co-pilot was not fired. All this is combined with remarkable versatility, which makes the P180 Avanti II one of the most widely used aircraft in public services such as air ambulance and air rescue missions, law enforce-ment, and flight inspections that ensure the safety of people and property. This press release was issued by Avantair late last night: AVANTAIR UPDATE ON VOLUNTARY STAND-DOWN OF OPERATIONS. I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. Space laundry washing throughout the week. This is a place worth fighting for and we will hope for the best. With fully reversionary flat-screen displays with a host of safety utilities, including TCAS, TAWS, satellite weather and more, the avionics suite is top-notch, and Piaggio Aero has been working with Rockwell Collins since the introduction of the Avanti II to add upgrades as they became available. In ground idle and with power pulled back to idle, the airplane still has a tendency, like many turboprops, to get going too fast, so you need to use beta to keep things slowed down. But that there are some management issues. pilot operation, so when a small amount of fogging briefly appeared on my (right) screen, the clear pattern would allow the left-seat pilot adequate visibility. We were cleared through 8,000 feet very quickly and then up to FL350, set up using the flight guidance panel (FGP) on the glareshield and appearing in cyan in the top right hand side of the PFD. (Please expect us to be bashed by current Avantiar employees. source: departed the aircraft. Don. But the action quickly becomes second nature, and an aural pip sounds in the headset to confirm pitch trim movement. During the takeoff roll, the left elevator departed the airplane and was found off the side of the runway 3 days later. But it was not his fault that it. Had Chuck Yeager and Sully Sullenburger, himself, flown the aircraft, the result would have been the same. Occupants can converse easily, as can the pilots. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. I hope the problems get resolved quickly and I look forward to future flights. As a result, the engine management chores on the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets. Using the rudder pedal steering in taxi mode, the feeling is very direct. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. The seats are finished in black leather with the owners initials embossed into the headrest and with a cabin height of 5.74 ft, it is comfortable to move around the full length. If not pilots for a direct competitor that would benefit from a VNR no longer there, I would guess that they might be disgruntled former employees filtered out by VNR's well-known tough training program. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. An FAA spokeswoman told me that the grounding was not initiated by the agency, so Im not sure where you got this information. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy, HAI Announces 2023 Salute to Excellence Award Winners, Software House Flight Vector Sees Opportunity in the Middle East, UAC To Exit Superjet 100, Investors Eye UAE Production Plant, PC-12 Crash Is Third Guardian Flight Fatal Accident, KinectAir Plans To Add Electra eSTOLs to Charter Network, WAI Concludes Record Conference in Long Beach, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. All rights reserved. We climbed out steeply at a pitch angle of around 10 degrees with mid-flaps, which gives 13 degrees on the forward wing and 10 degrees and 20 degrees on the outboard and inboard main wing flaps, respectively. The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. CLEARWATER, Fla. October 25, 2012 Avantair, Inc. (OTCBB: AAIR), today announced the company is continuing to stand down operations and engaging top aviation experts to help complete a thorough examination of its fleet of nearly 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft, and a comprehensive review of records and supporting maintenance documentation. They are understandably bitter and we don't blame them.). Piaggio Aero, on the other hand, is still steadily producing its model. The Avanti II, I should probably mention, is a single-pilot airplane; it doesnt need a crew. Above FL200, the torque is allowed to reduce as ITT becomes the governing factor and we targeted approximately 800 deg C. The maximum continuous ITT is 820 degrees, but 785 degrees is recommended to produce rated horsepower in ISA conditions and improve engine life. Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. Pilot Report: Piaggio Avanti Evo - Aviation International In rapid-fire Italian, the controller told Villi we could have an approach to Runway 10 if we kept the speed up to fit in with airliner traffic. Please specify the source for your statement. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. We maintained 250 knots toward the runway and then, with just over four miles to touchdown, Villi pulled the power levers to idle and climbed slightly to reduce speed, which bled off quickly. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. Theoretically, a newly minted multiengine pilot with a high-altitude endorsement could hop right in and go flying. Its a hard transition for a pilot coming back to PT6s after having flown modern fadec turbofans from Williams and, yes, from Pratt & Whitney. It's been 4-18 at most. Perhaps its greatest asset is being the worlds most eco-friendly, twin-turbine business aircraft. ^ Goyer, Robert (19 April 2012). "Piaggio P.180 Avanti II". Flying. Archived from the original on 9 June 2017. Retrieved 19 June 2017. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark ^ Berlin, Jeff (1 March 2008). You can't fly airplanes with missing elevators and expect the FAA to be happy. If anyone in North Florida is interested let me know. Once having completed that check, we asked for and got a climb to FL 380, a common long-range cruising altitude for the P.180, which has a ceiling of 41,000 feet. WebThe hydraulically retractable tricycle-type landing gear on the Piaggio Avanti II helps the aircraft to operate from smaller airfields as well with a min take off distance of 869 meters A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. Todays airplane has the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 avionics suite, with all the bells and whistles. The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. I followed Lorenzos example, if anything being a bit more aggressive with the speed decay. I call it a three-surface design, with forward wing, main wing and tail. The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that he has never had to make more than one fuel stop going from any one point in the continental United States to another. When Flying first flew the Avanti in 1990, we predicted that its great fuel efficiency would be a big selling point, and that has been true. Now it will be impossible, since I cant even book my last few trips of the year, because I have no idea if we will be flying. Villanova requires a specific qualification as it sits in a bowl surrounded by mountains with an MSA of 11,200 feet to the west, so Villi briefed he would fly the departure from Runway 9 and demonstrate a performance takeoff. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. chrisallegro January 15, 2010, 6:21pm #1. But it didn't help in the fact VNR was born in the Decade from hell. I suspect, that they may be going over all documents now for a variety of reasons. Of course we do. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, Air Force looks toward automation with Reliable Robotics, Boeing, NASA to develop sustainable airliner. Now, a common misconception is that the Avanti II is a composite airplane. Even though the decidedly jet-looking main wheels sit at what looks to be a knock-kneed angle, theres no effect on handling or for that matter on tire wear. So I took them up on their offer to find me a charter flight. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. Viva VNR! Cabin dimensions are spacious compared to a Beechcraft King Air and more in line with a midsize jet. Once on the runway and cleared for takeoff, we checked to make sure the flaps were set for takeoff and the steering was too there are different modes depending on how fast youre traveling though theres no tiller and that our trims and condition lever were correctly set. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? It is not, at least not primarily. Again, the landing flare was very slight, and on touchdown, Lorenzo took control, selected beta on the props and we smoothly decelerated with plenty of runway remaining. Despite the fact that it took me a while to get a feel for the trim button theres a little activate button in the center of the trim hat the hand-flying was nothing short of delightful. He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. It is, instead, a forward wing. Considering the shape of the nose in front of you, this is handy, because the runway stays in easy view the entire time. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. While things have been dreary throughout the aviation industry for the past 5 years, Avantair was the only fractional airline that did not furlough or terminate pilots due to staffing reductions. WebPostaccident examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and the right main tire had low air pressure. Thanks guys, The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. What we didnt fully realize is that over the next 20 years no light jet would emerge that could challenge the P.180s remarkable combination of speed, fuel efficiency and cabin size, a trifecta of strengths that has made it a popular transportation airplane with operators for whom efficiency, comfort and high style are the hallmarks of having arrived. Really thinking nothing of it, I booked a flight from LAS to Orange COunty Ca today (coming back tomorrow). Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. Later versions of the P.180 included the P.180 Avanti I and P.180 Avanti II. 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