And we published the next day. He went to jail for that. . Ben Bradlee: Nixon himself? We had Watergate. He had gone to Vietnam as a soldier, so he had fought in Vietnam, but he got convinced that it was a quagmire and that it was a great mistake and that by releasing this study, he could shine light into the darkest corners and change the course of the world. By June 17, 1972, what Hunter S. Thompson had famously called "the crest of a high and beautiful wave." of the 1960s had crashed and dissapiated. He had worked in the Pentagon, and then he had worked for the Rand Corporation. There was a letter forged, saying that Muskie had made some disparaging remark about Canadians, and Muskie got very upset. [10], At the University of Maryland, College Park, he was a reporter for the school's independent daily, The Diamondback. It was to see if they could find the origins of our involvement in Vietnam, and what went wrong. STARR, KENNETH WINSTON Bernstein and Woodward stayed on the story, though the government agencies they had helped to prod into activity now began to resent their continuing revelations. Even Woodward has disavowed the heroic-journalist interpretation, once telling an interviewer that the mythologizing of our role in Watergate has gone to the point of absurdity, where journalists write that I, single-handedly, brought down Richard Nixon. Did you? and he said, No. And the whole town shook, as far as Im concerned, because that was the first time we had been accused of getting anything wrong. Later, along with Vatican expert Marco Politi, he published a papal biography entitled His Holiness. ", Fame, Shepard observed, "played a huge role in changing their lives forever. What did you mean by that? As of 1997 Woodward is an assistant managing editor of the CIA in Veil (1987), the Pentagon and the Gulf War in The Commanders (1991), and the Clinton White House in The Agenda (1994). After the Times had been estopped by a judge, we decided to publish them. During his marriage to Ephron, Bernstein met Margaret Jay, daughter of British Prime Minister James Callaghan and wife of Peter Jay, then UK ambassador to the United States. Where were you born? Maybe it was 16, but he had fully a decade-plus of experience under his belt. In their dogged reporting of the Watergate scandal, Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein uncovered the crimes that forced Richard Nixon to resign the presidency in August 1974. Bob Woodward: In the family I was raised in: a brother, a sister, two stepsisters, a half-sister. When we found out who had taken it out, it was Hunt, and everybody said, What the hell is Hunt doing taking a book on Teddy Kennedy. Like an assistant secretary of defense who had been a year or two before head of a big Republican contributor and head of an automobile company and, you know, sold cars in Omaha or somewhere. He was also integral in finding vital evidence and information at the scene of the crime (per Mental Floss). Woodward had married reporter Francie Barnard, and . Are there particular novels of his that you remember liking? Woodward lives in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Elsa Walsh, a writer for The New Yorker and the author of Divided Lives. I had fallen in love with some books at a younger age like Swiss Family Robinson, adventure stories, but I tried to read Crime and Punishment, and read some other books, and then in high school I took a course reading books, and that really kind of focused me on the value of a book. Stop!, Bernstein recalled in a 1975 interview, now in Pakulas archive, that big crowds were outside. Most online reference entries and articles do not have page numbers. That we had done stories, but it is a process of the judiciary, the Congress, the Supreme Court, that led to Nixons demise. Where were you in the pecking order of siblings? Carl Bernstein, born on February 14, 1944, in Washington, D.C., began part-time work at the Washington Star at the age of 16 and later dropped out of the University of Maryland to work full-time as a reporter. We want to thank you for talking with us today. He has also done reporting for television and opinion commentary. Woodward would only reveal his informant was an individual working in the Executive Branch. But three or four days later, we got a copy of them from Ellsberg, only we didnt have three months to study them. Anyway, it took two days, and we got confirmation that there was, and in fact there was a slush fund of $750,000. The team stole top-secret documents and wiretapped the phones to listen to conversations. So we started phrasing it close to resignation, and debating resignation, and then, finally, we learned that I think he was going to do it at nine oclock at night, or eight oclock at night. That we do explain enough about whats going on. Well, it turns out a lot of CIA people were, and they tried to use the CIA to cover up the FBI investigation, but they never pinned it on the CIA. Was he the more experienced journalist at the time? Were there other writers in your father or mothers family? It was going to be reproduced in the history books, and we wanted to be sure that we got it right, and be sure that some there wasnt a typo. Despite their stark differences, they needed each another. Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman portrayed them in the 1976 movie. Carl had a harder time. John Dean's afternoon testimony before the Senate Watergate committee, the crest of a high and beautiful wave.", They wrote that history has shown that Watergate was even worse than we thought it was at the time, they seemed blind to the reality that Felt wasn't motivated by an altruistic loyalty to the nation or the truth but by blind career ambition and petty revenge, we've seen a president who WASN'T impeached for evading Congress to cut secret arms deals in Iran and fund a secret war in Nicaragua, Bob Woodward was at the very head of that pack. All of the guys who later went to jail. The book and movie introduced Woodwards super-secret source, Deep Throat. For 31 years after Nixons resignation, Washington periodically engaged publicly in guessing games about the sources identity. What was that about? Bob Woodward: Quite late. Are there particular books that you remember? His detailed notes, first made public in December 2005, were donated by his wife to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences after his death in 1998 in an automobile accident. But the new Woodward and Bernstein piece was remarkably good, in a sense, of placing the crimes of the Nixon White House in a broader campaign of a war against lawful dissent to the Vietnam War that expanded to the media and the opposition Democrats. Woodward and Bernsteins account of the investigation, All The Presidents Men, became a national bestseller and was made into a popular motion picture. Bernstein was born to a secular Jewish family in Washington, D.C.,[4][5][6] the son of Sylvia (ne Walker) and Alfred Bernstein. Although Woodward was reluctant to talk about himself as a reporter, he was determined to expose other peoples secrets. Ben Bradlee: He sure did. You have Hunt saying Oh, my God! At a later arraignment, one of the guys whispered to a judge. I had worked for the Post for nine months. Speaking to the crowd of around 2,000 reporters at the Washington Hilton where President Trump was not among them they talked about what they had learned from each other during their long stint reporting together in the Seventies. The book inescapably promoted the impression Woodward and Bernstein were vital to Watergates outcome. At the end of his military service, Woodward applied to Harvard Law School, and was accepted for the fall 1970 term, but he chose to pursue a career in journalism instead. Ben Bradlee, editor of the Washington Post during Watergate, told me that Pakula spent so much time with each of us. Alicia Shepard said, "Carl was the big thinker, and Woodward was the one that [made] sure it got done [T]hey knew that each of them had strengths that the other didn't, and they relied on one another. Carl Milton Bernstein (/ b r n s t i n / BURN-steen; born February 14, 1944) is an American investigative journalist and author.While a young reporter for The Washington Post in 1972, Bernstein was teamed up with Bob Woodward, and the two did much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal.These scandals led to numerous government investigations and the eventual . Bob Woodward: We accused some people of things they didnt do that were based on some reports, written reports. Carl tried his hand in television, at ABC News (and was a consultant at CBS News for awhile). Hoffman was running down an empty street, chasing after Redfords gray Volvo as it pulled out of the Post parking lot. What were they doing? Bob Woodward: Of course. / CBS. But she was quite curious, quite well-informed, plugged in. He met his Deep Throat source secretly to get as much information as possible. WASHINGTON Watching Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein on stage at the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner on Saturday night was like a Simon and Garfunkel reunion. And he was the one who said that. There was even a movie made about the scandal and their role in it, "All The President's Men.". As the stakes increased, and as the White House looked more and more threatened, and Nixon himself looked more threatened, and his office became threatened, we just were determined that we werent going to make any silly mistake. "Carl was the big thinker, and Woodward was the one that make sure it got done.". It was strange. Together, they followed the story and co-wrote the best-seller, "All the President's Men.". A year later, he was back at the Post, and at age 29 found himself in the middle of one of the biggest stories of the century. [3] In 1966, Bernstein left New Jersey and began reporting for The Washington Post, where he covered every aspect of local news and became known as one of the paper's best writing stylists.[15]. It was a White House operation. That the difficulties they put up to prevent the truth from coming out had been overcome. Its our job to figure them out.. He was affectionately known as "Uncle Al" and had many sources in police departments. Such speculation sometimes pointed to W. Mark Felt, a former senior FBI official. It was, after all, the courts unanimous ruling in July 1974, ordering Nixon to surrender tapes subpoenaed by the Watergate special prosecutor, that sealed the presidents fate. When will all the truth come out? Quite optimistically. The real crimes of the last 40 years -- the political power of an American kleptocracy that has crushed the nation's middle class, the state of permanent wars abroad and the loss of the public square to a militarized police force at home -- didn't fit into the box that Woodward and Bernstein and the Watergate scandal helped to create. Available for both RF and RM licensing. Woodward cautiously would have to go from one step literally to another. And it turned out he had worked for the CIA for years, had been working in the White House as a consultant to Chuck Colson, who was then Nixons hatchet man. It was embarrassing that they had this great story and we didnt. While single, in the 1980s, Bernstein became known for dating Bianca Jagger, Martha Stewart, and Elizabeth Taylor,[16] among others. It was mysterious always, his writing, but of great emotional impact. We actually published three papers with it before they stopped us, and then we were in the courts for 12 days. Much to his chagrin. Mr. Woodward, there is an interesting scene in the book and in the film All the Presidents Men where you tap out a story and Carl Bernstein immediately starts rewriting it, and youre miffed. police in blue helmets fought young people in the street, great men were gunned down in their prime. The Post is a very competitive institution, and I think that was the main reason. So why not take Woodward at his word? Bob Woodward: Yes, we are. His father was a judge and Woodward eventually entered the Navy after graduating from Yale. Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss are "still good friends", a source has insisted, despite rumours the pair might have fallen out. You get to have access to people you wouldnt normally have access to. Mr. Bradlee, by the time of the Watergate affair, the Post had already come into conflict with the Nixon administration over the Pentagon Papers. You want to make sense out of it. It turned out that he hadnt been asked, and that interested us a great deal, because if the prosecution wasnt asking him those interesting questions, that suggested that there was a reason they werent, and the reason might be that they were trying to cover it up. The article was entitled "The Idiot Culture". So its not inevitable that the system works. I have forgotten which one it was. Encyclopedia of World Biography. They deposited, at the end of 1974, over $600,000. I really we knew it, we knew it, we knew it, but we couldnt we were being told by the people who were telling us that if we publish it, hell change his mind and wont resign! The American Academy of Achievements interview with Bob Woodward is combined with an interview with his longtime editor and mentor, Ben Bradlee (1921-2014). ." Had he been Deep Throat, he once told a Connecticut newspaper, I would have done better. This button displays the currently selected search type. What in my business Ive found is that we basically do have a free press, that we can operate independently. Yet I knew that he was right.. In 1992, Bernstein wrote a cover story for The New Republic magazine indicting modern journalism for its sensationalism and celebration of gossip over real news. Lewis was with the Post from 1935 until his retirement in 1985. We didnt allow television in for six months, I dont think. What are you most proud of, looking back on your career so far? Woodward, 60, whose parents divorced when he was 12, is the son of a Midwestern Republican judge, graduated from Yale in 1965, and joined the Navy. I may have been an extreme case, but not a unique one. And I was going on an unknown path, and that concerned him, but when I got into it and then went to work for the Post, he was quite supportive. The best show recs delivered to your inbox. Will the luck of the Irish affect the Oscars? 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