As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. And according to some accounts, as it crept across no man's land-. He would change where the shocker and the shockee sat. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. Give me two more minutes. "This was exactly what was on my mind. His wife went into hiding. Cruelty, violence, badness. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. And you tell us, "Actually, no. He's bald. Our food source then moves into our bodies. But as far as I know, there are none for Radiolab.I think I once read a statement from Jad and/or Robert that they view the show as an audio experience, and so believe it can't be captured in a transcript. You know, this was like oil is today. But we thought we would- we would play this show, uh, about a little bit of bad that is in all of us. So he felt publicly humiliated. Like, is that something that's universal? Warning. And the way I killed her, I cared for her because I dated her for [inaudible 01:01:43]. Whatever it is. He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen. For when the subjects didn't want to continue? However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. This is Radiolab and today we're going to get bad. Right? This is Jeff Jensen, and he's a reporter in LA. There's a pause and my father just says-. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. And I designed a little, um, questionnaire where I simply ask the students, you know, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" And he goes home for a few days. These are people who are incredibly noble, they are. If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man. They reached back to the shelf and they find this Zyklon stuff. The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. You're cut down before then. Um, we lived together for a couple months. We will begin with this test-. And he is basically homeless at this point. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. He says that he's always been hiring people based on how smart they are, and not who their grandparents were. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then, separates your head, which is put on a post. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. You can be sure of your purchase with Casper's 100 night risk-free sleep on it trial. I think you got to answer it, "With him." He was t- very aggressive. You're telling this [inaudible 01:02:30]. See now around this point I just don't have anything to do with this guy, I just want to take a shower, walk-. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. Trivalent. But we will do it on our own if we think it's good.". Clara comes from the same town. Well, the thing that haunts me about the why question that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. TRANSCRIPTS We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over. Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. He's such a puzzle to me. When I picked them up, I was going to kill them." Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? To feed about 30 million people. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. Is that how you say that? He buried them or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods. Now, we don't actually know if he threw a party. It's a good one. I mean you have to remember, during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. To the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. This is Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. He knew about it. We don't exactly know why. Radiolab for Kids Presents: Terrestrials A show where we uncover the strangeness right here on Earth Romeo y Julieta A World Premiere Bilingual Audio Play. I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. He was doing his great science work right around the turn of the 20th century; so right around 1900. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters. Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. Okay, well actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. And he throws himself at one of the central issues facing Germany at that time. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning, meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and give us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. How many of them went into that kind of detail? This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. I just needed to kill her." They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. Have you ever thought about killing someone? Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslam is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. "When I picked them up I was going to kill them." Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. No. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. Uh, he's a master plotter. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. When we asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60 percent. That's right. SciShow Tangents "I just needed to kill because of that." It's absolutely essential that you continue. They spent the next six months interrogating him. And he believed it. Okay. Okay, one of those very tiny old fashioned pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". Yeah, necrophilia. And a mysterious past. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. He eventually goes to England. Jeff Jensen's book is the Green River Killer: A True Detective Story. I'll give you bad. Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". They wanted someone who was really thrillingly bad but, in the end, was redeemed a bit.". All right. Yes 80 percent of the air is nitrogen atoms. How could you? What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? This is what totally pulled me into the story. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. The participants, you know, they're not- it's not- it's not just blind obedience. We have nothing. And he says, "Because of the rage." Especially when it came to one particular fact. The general's name is Othello. Meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and gives us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. Well talk about Fritz Haber. And especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. I thought about grabbing a knife quickly and stabbing him in the chest repeatedly until he was dead. They're trying to do the right thing. Like you just did, which happens constantly. The most common source of nitrogen is in the air around us. He's a man adrift. But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for. And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". So, you ask like, why do people do bad things? We've got to know now. She says, "What happened today?" And he was someone who had very big ambitions. 1933 comes and Hitler takes over. So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? Just a little glimmer. I'm going to take a break. They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. And in January of 1984, the Green River Task Force was formed, and my father was recruited to the task force. Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. Thanks to all our great storytellers, Dan Charles, Sam Kean, Latif Nassar, Fred Kaufman, and Fritz Stern. Listen Now. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? The Bad Show.ogg download. The leaves would just sort of shrivel, and the grass was turning to the color of metal. No motives. And you know what? What's the noble cause in this case? He felt publicly humiliated. So, you don't know. Thank you to James Shapiro whose most recent book is called Contested Will. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . The guy yelling, of course, was an actor, and the shocks weren't real. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? A lot of them are really positive even though they've just been told that they were duped. So, Sam what happened to this guy after World War I? And she said, "My ex-boyfriend. Uh, when- when asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60%. Take one. And then, and- So, he says that and you're like, "Okay. She was actually a sort of a genius herself. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. I mean, you know, it's just one of those things we've been bringing back shows that we think are just vibrating still in the world. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, me too. I killed her. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. And so in 1918, Fritz Haber gets the Nobel Prize. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. Even past when they were screaming in pain. You know, what does he say? Now, why don't you just- what do you remember since we last talked in this interview? Uh, he was doing his- his great science work right around the turn of, uh, the 20th century. Well, he started- he started fuming that his wife had- had dissed him. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? Very distinctive looking man. But you can't throw that air onto a plant. And so Satan, basically, systematically destroys Job's life. [inaudible 00:59:10] I went back one time before and [inaudible 00:59:13] that I Like I said, I got to give it out, can't keep holding it in. And what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into sea water, which contains very small levels of gold. It makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe, so it's very-. Mm-hmm (affirmative). Gary is dancing around this topic, Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. And that's what Shakespeare did in all his plays. The Bad Show Jul 27, 2018. But what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. Well all right, I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. God, 'cause it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of human's latent capacity of evil. God, I feel like we haven't, you and I sat together and said our names in quite some time. Walk- walk away. And actually, this wasn't just the German thing. They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. How many times would they shock that sad-. He'll be our guide for the segment. Let not your sorrows die though I am dead. Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. So read these words that you see here. And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. It's a little bit more direct. He would say over and over again. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. Why did you do this?" So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments the same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. In graphic detail. I mean it's a fact, of course, that they're administering pain to a stranger, that's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. Now you're saying actually that you could read that, that very dark fact, as being actually evidence of something quite- quite noble. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. Like, "Oh my God. We will begin with this test. Do we know? And he throws himself in one of the central issues facing Germany that at that time. I don't think I've ever had a fantasy that- that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. And he wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history; Gary Leon Ridgeway, the Green River Killer. And every scenario produced a different result. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. And you have a number of chemical reactions. He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. That allows an individual to act inhumanely-, It's like a downloadable from the internet; instant defense for doing wrong. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. So, basically at 6:00 pm at April 22nd. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. Fact is if you don't continue, uh, we're going to discontinue the experiment. And you tell us, "Actually, you know under some circumstances, we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because, here's another flip, we don't have to be told. Well, if you dressed it up, and if you had some minor vairance in the paradigm, you could presumable, you know, make- make this up. Ear drums, God. And I was just astonished-. And he goes home for a few days a hero. If those two participants refused to go on. I just needed to kill because of that. She had something else on her mind. And you got to ask is the world better with him or without him? So, the subject seemed willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say it's an order. The fourth product is-. But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex-boyfriend doesn't know that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. His health is failing in 1934. So Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a few audiobook. The good Iago who makes you want to shower the minute you leave the theater 'cause you are sullied by him. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. Radiolab: Lucy. Or nice chair? That guy yelling of course was an actor and the shocks weren't real, but the questions in the air at the time were very real. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. With higher and higher voltage. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). He was in this, um, uh, uh, state of fury, he said, and, um, and instead of hitting his wife, he smashed his fist into the bathroom mirror. That is if you don't continue, we're going to have to discontinue the experiment. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal; which she hasn't. [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. This was a moment when human cruelty was on trial, quite literally. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? But if they were prepared to do that, and I suspect a lot of them would, um, then we'd say these are people who really believe in science. ", And the class ended, and I went back to my office, and I just sat at my desk, and I started reading these. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. Uh, Haber it's unknown what happened for the rest of that evening, but it is a well-documented fact that the very next morning. That's correct. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. And so, we've decided that it's time to go back to something we did once upon a time when we were wondering about good and bad. We'll be right back [inaudible 00:31:42], let's just finish this series. When you call someone, "Evil." You're bad." But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. All right, just to back up for one second. But you know, we ended up walking this question around to different people. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Then you left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said, "Yes. With help from Shima Oliaee, Carter Hodge, and Lisa Yeger. But that's just a- those are fantasies. Was it nice day? That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film. It is- it is arguably the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. Jul 28, 2018 Obviously no need to be alarmed, that was not a real shot. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. Why did you take these women off the streets and want to destroy them? Sap in the next room just because they were being told to? Really? You know [crosstalk 00:10:58]. How many times would they shock that sad-. Well, I mean, I know that sir, but I mean, he's up to a 195 volts. Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" And if they didn't go on, if they resisted [crosstalk 00:18:11] the experimenter would break out prod number two. So, it's very-. Bald on top. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. Certainly friends of his did. Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal, which hasn't. Visit our website. Although, clearly on some level they know it isn't. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. Yes. Wow. And they think it's right. Uh, and he finds her actually still alive with her life running out of her. She expressed disapproval about his clothing choices. I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." His wife, um, went into hiding. One of the reasons it grows, is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. They start disagreeing with each other. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. He actually was very humiliated that Germany had lost, and especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. I'm good. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society, he could do anything. They spent the next six months interrogating him, they brought in psychiatrists, and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. Terrestrials: A New Kids Show from Radiolab. Is an absolute order. 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