is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. We are located on Dakota land. Limn: Yes. This is not a problem. That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. Also because so much of whats been and again, its not just in the past, what has happened, has been happening below the level of consciousness in our bodies. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. My familys all in California. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. Join our weekly ritual of a newsletter, The Pause, delivered to your inbox every Saturday morning. Limn: I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. Yeah. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. "On Being," a weekly interview show about the mysteries of human existence, hosted by Krista Tippett, airs on nearly 400 public radio stations, with more than half a million weekly listeners . Limn: Yeah. We are located on Dakota land. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. And were you writing. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. Tippett: No, theres so much to enjoy. So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. What is the thesis word or the wind? But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. The Adventure of Civility. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. What. Join our constellation of listening and living. You boiled it down. All year, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. Tippett: So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. I could. Or, Im suffering, or Right. I'm not often one for Schadenfreude, but I may have felt it a bit yesterday, when friend told me that they'd heard NPR announce that Krista Tippett 's "On Being" Show, which I've railed against for years, is finally ending its two-decade stint on NPR. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. a finalist for the National Book Award. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). Why not that weed? Our entire world is spent that way. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. All right. Limn: Yeah. a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Society & Culture 4.6 9.1K Ratings; A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. So well just be on an adventure together. So we have to do this another time. We want to orient towards that possibility. And you mentioned that when you wrote this, when was it that you wrote it? What was it? My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. The bright side is not talked about. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. Look, we are not unspectacular things. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. Limn: I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. And so thats really a lot of how I was raised. With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. by being not a witness, I really love . a certain light does a certain thing, enough Also because so much of whats been and again, its not just in the past, what has happened, has been happening below the level of consciousness in our bodies. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in Bright Dead Things, which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. Limn: Exactly. Maybe that speaks for itself. In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. on all sides with want. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. Limn: And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. The bright side is not talked about. like something almost worth living for. We live the questions. rough wind, chicken legs, if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified, if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? We endeavor to make goodness and complexity riveting. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. you look back and beg Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. Tippett: I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. The Osprey Foundation a catalyst for empowered, healthy, and fulfilled lives. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. Thats page 95. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. Im Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. No, really I was. Limn: Not the Saddest Thing in the World, All day I feel some itchiness around Musings and tools to take into your week. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. Tippett: To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. She loves human beings. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. two brains now. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? is so bright and determined like a flame, I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. Just the title of this, I feel is such an invitation and not the kind of invitation that was being made. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?. as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. Page 20. But the song didnt mean anything, just a call Anthem. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. She is a former host of the poetry podcast, The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Youll see why in a minute. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. Draco, Lacerta, Hydra, Lyra, Lynx. Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. And we all have this, our childhood stories. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, Enough of us across all of our differences see that we have a world to remake. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. And I knew that at 15. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. and then, That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. Here it is again as an offering for Mothers Day in a world still and again in flux, and where the matter of raising new human beings feels as complicated as ever before. Come back, But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. Centuries of pleasure before us and after. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. So we have to do this another time. Ive been reading Ada Limn for years, and was so happy when she was named the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Yeah. The science of awe. Krista Tippett is the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living and the host of the national public radio show and podcast On Being. We touch each other. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . two brains now. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. Oh my. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. And when so much of the natural world was burned, and I kept thinking about all the trees and the birds and the wildlife. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. In me. Its the , Limn: We literally. In this spirit, our ecosystem of offerings launching across 2023 serve a far-flung global web of listeners/practitioners. hoping our team wins. Limn: Right. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. So its a very special place. I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . The Hearthland Foundation. creeks, two highways, two stepparents Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. even the tenacious high school band off key. And I think it was that. I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. and the world. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. Silence, which we dont get enough of. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the . I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, tags: curiosity , listening , oral-history , vulnerability. Its wonderful. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. Its a prose poem. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. And it often falls apart from me. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us, breath to breath and hour to hour, as much in who we are and how we are present as in whatever we do. Its still the elements. the ground and the feast is where I live now. We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with?. And so I gave up on it. [Music: Molerider by Blue Dot Sessions]. Helping to build a more just, equitable and connected America one creative act at a time. no one has been writing the year lately. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called Complicating the Narratives, which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. This definitely speaks to that. Its a prose poem. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. April 4, 2008. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. Yeah. song. Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. Tippett: The thesis. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising. Harley at seven years old. Sylvia gifts us this teaching: that nurturing childrens inner lives can be woven into the fabric of our days and that nurturing ourselves is also good for the children and everyone else in our lives. And it says, You are here. And I felt like every day Id write a poem was literally putting that little, You are here dot on a map. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow. To be made whole Theres a lot of different People. how the wind shakes a tree in a storm Tippett: Maybe that speaks for itself. It is still the river. Before the new marriage. And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. Exit Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam, bliss before you know Tippett: Right. Tippett: And that is so much more present with us all the time. Because how do we care for one another? And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. And I want you to read it. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. into an expansion, a heat. And I was feeling very isolated. We journalists, she wrote, "can summon outrage in five words or Krista Tippett is the creator and host of the On Being and Becoming Wise podcasts as well as curator of The Civil Conversations Project. 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