However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Out of those, the number of GA deaths from medical incapacitation is tiny. I hadnt had any issues or symptoms for over 10 yrs., doctors Id seen always pronounced me fit & healthy. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. From the details they ask about, you would think you were applying to be an astronaut. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. At medical renewal you give a different date for same previously reported event. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. I will follow that up with a word of warning. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. Such disorders might be genetic. The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. Ultimately, a yes response to 18m. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. Free health screenings, nope, wont do those, might turn up something (whether correctly or incorrectly) that could end up costing me a fortune to deal with. People who are actually depressed long term are not really at risk of doing things like this if they were, they wouldnt be here to start with. I hid it from the FAA for 12 years They found out I didnt disclose it and revoked ALL my certificates ATP multi-single engine land, Commercial rotorcraft and glider as well as all my flight instructor certificates. Stan, what is the diagnosis for which you have special issuance? In other words, bigger name on the other line. I have been a private pilot since 10/05/2013 I know that the medical form is a self certifying process that can have good or bad risks but you never know what the FAA has access to since their a government organization/department. I disclosed everything on my original medical as a student pilot. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. whether, in their life, have they been diagnosed with, had, or presently have a history of ADHD. My name is not Gustavo either. What are the chances you will get caught? The big question is, though, whether it matters. Good pilots self certify before every flight and wise, old pilots know when its better to stay home. Sorry for apparently differing from the crowd on this, but I think people are nuts if they are lying. So, instead of less regulation, we need more and along with that comes enforcement. Case in point: A student pilot I was familiar with crashed his aircraft into the runway and killed himself after being arrested for drunk-driving the previous night. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. Then, I initiated actions to get tested, never dreaming that FAA would punish me for being conscientious and wanting to be fully alert. After you complete your MedXPress application, you will need to schedule an FAA flight physical with an Aviation Medical Examiner (AME). Your email address will not be published. most reputable and up-to-date sources, which are also cited in the text. The FAAs denial letter may look daunting, but time and time again, airmen with a history of ADHD are being issued medical certification following the appropriate presentation of the airmens fitness for flight. Find one that will help you get through the maze, not simply hand your problem off to the FAA. These blogs are linked to your name/email be truthful but be careful. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. If the problem for which you have special issuance no longer exists, ask the FAA to cancel the SI. I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent.. The FAA will catch the application when it comes across due to the flags. The system is imperfect in many ways and should be fixed, I do not disagree with that. No legal issue or problem is too small or too large for The Ison Law Firm. I dont blame poeple for lying. No mercy from the FAA and I was not even allowed to go to a hearing I just got the notice of revocation one day and that was it. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis.. How do we know that health issues rarely cause flying accidents? It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. 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I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. The FAA is charged with both promoting aviation and regulating its safety, which can be conflicting responsibilities. Even patients, with well controlled epilepsy, may safely drive. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. I do not expect it to change in my life time. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? but that wasnt good enough for the FAA, they require me to spend a pile of money EVERY YEAR to get a SI, and then it takes Oklahoma City 3-4 months to okay it while I sit effectively grounded (adding insult to injury!) Contact an aviation medical examiner (AME) early if you have doubts or questions. Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. Counseling, HTN, whatever. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. The AOPA and the EAA are going to propose an exemption to the third class physical exam that would allow us to use our drivers license as our medical to fly recreational. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy The Third Class is an absolute joke. Both asked for, and received, removal of their Special Issuance. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. My guess is this would have been confirmed by and EEG. How is that fair? I dont think the FAA realizes that pilots arent average human beings. Additionally, the one who was honest is punished. Sorry, screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2011 (not 2010). Do You Need A PHD To Be A Medical Scientist? Personally, I feel that if I am medically safe enough to drive then I should be safe enough to fly. I've known guys who've cheated the system but have never heard of anyone in or close to my circle of pilot frinds who've had any aeromedical violation investigations. I need some advice from experienced pilots / medical professionals about a problem. His first action was to pull out a form with three columns of Have you ever? items each requiring a yes/no response. You would not be alone, as there are many older pilots that fly with conditions that would disqualify them from getting the Third Class medical. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. Probably, we certainly arent as full of ourselves as I was when I was a young man. Makes no logical sense. Direct Primary Care Physician for Pilots? My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. Seems ludicrous to me. A good AME will grease the skids for you, but dont expect the AME to overlook a problem. You just hit a key to the problem. Of those, only a very small % are from medical causes. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. I had a friend that sold very pricey aircraft (demonstration pilot) that was colorblind. Thus the FAAs excessive emphasis, on the potential hazards of medical conditions and medications, serves only to reinforce its own bureaucratic authority. Nope, they requested an entirely new one. There, see you did lie on your medical didnt you. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. One just hopes that the untruths are regarding minor medical issues they feel will disqualify them that wont compromise their safety as well as all others around them. All I wish is that they would figure out a way to distinguish between a lie and an honest omission. NO. What you didnt? No pill makes that any different no weekly conversation with an over-paid, disinterested asshole makes it different either. I think that increasing the value of a worn out C150 to about $100K (which would happen the day they were included in the category) would take most of the trainer fleet out of circulation and the already paultry number of students would dry up completely. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. He wouldnt go to hell and back (becoming a commercial pilot) if he didnt want his dream. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? I WAS A BIRD DOG PILOT IN VIETNAM FOR 3+ YEARS WHEN I WAS SENT TO THE DECK BY SMALL ARMS FIRE. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. The current system not only encourages dishonesty, it encourages pilots to avoid medical treatment and ignore symptoms. Make the FAA do a special issue for every single pilot in the country. There are are more decisions that have to be made while driving than flying. I was not asked or tested for alertness. I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. Parasailing. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. I'm a pilot, and an air traffic controller. I was an investigator for the CIA from 2001-2006 and armed security for CIA facilities for 4 years after that. They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. Many of the changes result in the easing or clarifying the rules for AMEs to follow. There are two schools of thought on this issue: 'If you wanna fly, you gotta lie' versus 'honesty is always the best policy.' The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. Before treatment, when I was sleepy, FAA wasnt concerned. The FAA would, if it could, ban all general aviation to create a perfect safety record, and thus avoid any potential criticism from the press and Congress. How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? Bluskye, the FAA does not have the personnel to handle things quickly.. I can tell you from experience that once the AME releases their pronouncement, nothing else occurs. thank you, that will be $110. Most of us fly for recreation and a burning fire within to fly, and the Sport program can be just the ticket. The AME also cannot read their minds, so he cannot go beyond a reasonable interpretation either to help with these questions. She rekindled an unpursued interest I buried over 30 years ago when we got married and started having children. Students and young pilots just want to fly. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. But knowing that the FAA has little humor, we all put no. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. Thank you for allowing me to share. I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent. Headwind vs. Tailwind Whats the Difference? If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. If you cannot read the serial number plate on the airplane that just flew by you then you should not be allowed to fly. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. His career was essentially over with that arrest and he killed himself because of it. If you decide to undergo a physical despite questionable health, first gather all medical documents, such as a letter from your family doctor stating that a condition has been treated and resolved, and present them to the AME. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. As a pilot for over 13 years and now an AME as of this month, I understand your concern. The other will not. Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. Our fact-checkers review each article to ensure that all the information presented is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. He petitioned the FAA to remove his special issuance for that disorder and supplied a letter from his treating physician, and the special issuance requirement went away. Typical government bull-. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. He started his career working with his father, Leighton Collins, at the original Air Facts magazine. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. Its not a profession which that college students wake up and decide they want to fly a plane. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. Those that are honest will remain so, and those who arent never will be honest. The AME guide expands on that question to unexplained unconsciousness. The AME Guide is available to all pilots on the FAA website. In order to understand how likely it is the FAA would catch you lying, it is important to understand how they would catch you. Like everything els not all AMEs are created equally. While I share our concern about pilots going unconscious in flight, I have as much concern about FAA going unconscious while on the job. 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM #7 ackattacker. Why would I want to go through the unbelievable hassle of explaining myself to a bunch of know-nothing bureaucrats and internal medicine doctors who dont know their ass from their elbow about depression beyond some laughably simplistic characterization of the disorder in a diagnostics manual? Therefore I go to a chiropractor every chance I get. You are assumed to be lying. There is a good chance you can hide some minor medical problems or even some major ones that you recovered from years ago. The only truthful answer is yes, most every night. There is no such thing as a good faith mistake. Im healthy, but had been to the doc a number of times over the last couple years (or whatever the reporting period was), for inconsequential (for flying) things, so, just reading the med form, as it said I could, I attached a sheet with all those doc visits. What Dickie did was tell on someone for lying. Just curious, as I am considering it and wondering about others experiences. BUT I HAVE 40+ YEARS AND 5100 HRS OF PIC IN MY OWN AIR CRAFT WITH OUT INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT. Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. There could be a much better system in place that would not compromise safety of small aircraft. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. Specifically, those questions are question 17 (the question about current use of medications), question 18m (the question about mental disorders of any sort), and question 19 (the question about visits to healthcare professionals in the past 3 years). Should that person be allowed to self-certified medically and carry as many as 5 passengers? Read from the question directly above the one you linked to: Long-standing FAA regulation, 61.53, prohibits all pilotsthose who are required to hold airman medical certificates and those who are notfrom exercising privileges during periods of medical deficiency. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. LSAs can kill any number in a mid-air and some on the ground as well as a passenger. The FAA requires applicants with a diagnosis of epilepsy to be seizure-free for 10 years without medication before being considered for a medical certificate. It was OK to fly without government harassment. Oh sure they lie. Help is only a phone call away! Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. Some Pilots tend to lie some just do not get medicals. Nonetheless, the posts are very short for novices. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. Others accept what the agency is trying to do'protect everyone's best interests'and play by its less-than-perfect rules. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Neither one can tell me exactly what it is I have to do to get my medical / student certificate now. He never lied. If its temporary, shaddup about it. If they say that you have a condition that requires you to be grounded, then fill out an 8500-8 medical form. Why would you need to report that? We only use the Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. It only came after I got out of the loop and had the hospital send the info straight to OK. You know how we all type up our medical records now, at least they think so. but I was frustrated because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind.. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.) Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. 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